Предлагаю посмотреть на то, как может проявиться рецепция сигнификатора деятельности:
Ian Brady
2 Jan 1938, 12:40, +0:00
Glasgow Scotland, 55°N53', 004°W15'
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1) перед Солнцем восходит Венера = претендент на сигнификацию деятельностью
2) Венера делает рецепцию и с вредлителем Марсом (рецепция по экзальтации), и с Сатурном (смешанная рецепция)
3) Сатурн - управитель МС = выходит в основные сигнификаторы деятельности, Марс - в соуправители
Этот человек совершил вместе со своей женой серийные убийства - первый случай участия женщины в серийных убийствах в Британии.
Вот нам и рецепция Венеры и Марса - управителя 7-го дома. (В описание карты не вдаюсь - видим, что Марс и Сатурн в 12-м, который описывает тюрьмы...)
Да, это не профессия, но это последовательная, планируемая человеком ДЕЯТЕЛЬНОСТЬ. Подробности, к сожалению, есть только на английском:
By Fiona Steel
Superintendent Talbot was to be leaving on a much-needed vacation on the morning that he received an unexpected call from Detective Inspector Wills.Wills had been reluctant to make the call, but this was important.
Sitting in the Inquiry room at Hyde Police Station, were 17-year-old David Smith, and his young wife. They had called the police early that morning with an incredible story. Talbot assured his wife that he would soon return and they would begin their two-week vacation as planned. What Superintendent Talbot did not know then was that he was about to become involved in one of Britain's most notorious criminal cases, The Moors Murders. The date was October 7, 1965.
When Talbot arrived at Hyde Police Station, he was shown into the Inquiry room where the distressed couple sat drinking tea. David Smith, with the help of his wife Maureen, proceeded to tell his story.
The previous night his sister-in-law, Myra Hindley, had visited the home where he lived with Maureen, his bride of little more than a year, and her mother. Myra had told him that she was afraid to walk home alone in the dark so he agreed to walk with her. When they arrived at Myra's home, at 16 Wardle Brook Avenue, Manchester, she asked him to come inside as her live-in boyfriend, Ian Brady, had some miniature bottles of wine for him. He agreed and after entering she left him standing in the kitchen with the wine.
As he read the label on one of the bottles, Smith heard a long, loud scream. Myra yelled to him from the living room. When he first entered the room, he saw Ian Brady holding what David initially thought was a life-size rag doll. As it fell against the couch, not more than two feet away from him, the realisation dawned upon him that it was a young man and not a doll at all. As the young man lay sprawled, face down on the floor, Ian stood over him, his legs apart, holding an axe in his right hand.
The young man groaned. Ian lifted the axe into the air, and brought it down upon the man's head. There was silence for a couple of seconds, and then the man groaned again, only it was much lower this time. Lifting the axe high above his head, Ian brought it down a second time. The man stopped groaning. The only sound he made was a gurgling noise.
Ian then placed a cover over the youth's head and wrapped a piece of electric wire around his neck. As he repeatedly pulled on the wire, Ian kept saying "You fucking dirty bastard," over and over again. When the man finally stopped making any noise, Ian looked up and said to Myra, "That's it, it's the messiest yet."
As Myra made them all a cup of tea, she and Brady joked about the look on the young man's face when Brady had struck him. They laughed as they told David about another occasion when a policeman had confronted Myra while they had been burying another of their victims on Saddleworth Moor. Ian had told David that he had killed some people before but David thought it was just a sick fantasy. This was real. He was horrified and scared for his own safety. He decided that the best thing he could do was to keep calm and go along with them. He helped them to clean up the mess, tie up the body and put it in the bedroom upstairs. It was not until the early hours of the morning that he had been able to escape, promising to return in the morning to help dispose of the body. Safely back at home, he was violently sick. He told Maureen everything and together they went to a public phone box to call the police.
Immediately upon hearing this bizarre story, Superintendent Talbot and Detective Sergeant Carr went over to 16 Wardle Brook Avenue. Two-dozen additional officers were called to the area, just in case. Any concerns that there may be a confrontation were quickly put to rest. Myra reluctantly gave him a key to the upstairs bedroom, the only room in the house that was locked, where the body of a young man was found wrapped in a grey blanket. The axe described by Smith as the murder weapon was found in the same room.
Ian Brady at his arrest, mugshot
Ian Brady was arrested immediately. At the police station, Brady told police that there had been an argument between himself, David Smith and the victim, 17-year-old Edward Evans. A fight had ensued which soon got out of control. Smith had hit Evans and kicked him several times. There had been a hatchet on the floor, which Brady said he had used to hit Evans. According to Brady, he and Smith alone had tied up the body. Myra had nothing to do with Evans's death.
When Myra was questioned, she supported Brady's story, describing how she had been horrified and frightened by the ordeal. She was not arrested until four days later, after police had found a three-page document in her car that described in explicit detail how she and Brady had planned to carry out the murder.
The investigation would probably have gone no further if Smith had not told police of Brady's claim that he had buried other bodies on Saddleworth Moor. Other references to the same area confirmed Smith's story. A twelve-year-old girl, Pat Hodge, told police that she had often gone with Hindley and Brady up to the moors on picnics, and numerous photos of the moors were found in their home.
Once the area where Brady and Hindley frequented was pinpointed, the digging began. Police believed that the bodies of four children who had mysteriously disappeared over the past two years might have been buried in the moors. They were proved right on 10 October 1965 when the body of 10-year-old Lesley Anne Downey was found. Lesley had disappeared without a trace on 26 December 1964. Eleven days after the first discovery, the body of 12-year-old John Kilbride was found. John had disappeared without a trace, on November 11, 1963.
In 1965, a case such as this was unique. It was the first time in British history that a woman had been involved in a killing partnership that had involved the serial sex murders of children. The public could not comprehend how any woman could take part in such a horrific crime; her involvement made the crimes seem even more evil and unforgivable.
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Ian Brady was born, on 2 January 1938 in Gorbals, one of the roughest slums in Glasgow at the time. His mother, Margaret (Peggy) Stewart was a tearoom waitress in a hotel. Although she was single, she would always sign herself as Mrs. Stewart; as to be an unmarried mother at this time met with strong disapproval. Peggy never disclosed who Ian's father was, except that he was a journalist for a Glasgow newspaper who had died a few months before Ian was born.
With no husband to support her, she found it necessary to continue working as a waitress, even if only part-time. As she was often unable to afford a babysitter, Peggy would sometimes have to leave baby Ian at home alone. It did not take her long to realise that she could not cope with her baby alone. To solve the problem she advertised for a permanent babysitter to take Ian into their home, providing the care and attention she was unable to give him.
Mary and John Sloane answered the advertisement. They had four children of their own and seemed trustworthy and caring. At the age of four months, Ian was unofficially "adopted" by the couple. Peggy signed over Ian's welfare payments to them and arranged to visit every Sunday. As each Sunday came around Peggy would bring gifts for her growing son but never told him that she was his mother. Mary Sloane was always "auntie" or "ma." As time passed, Peggy's visits became less frequent and finally stopped altogether when Ian was twelve years old. Peggy had moved with her new husband, Patrick Brady, to Manchester.
The ambiguity of his relationship with his mother and the nature of the arrangements with the Sloanes meant that Ian always felt that he didn't really belong. Despite the Sloanes' attempts to provide a loving environment, Ian showed no response to their care and attention. Throughout his childhood, he was lonely, difficult, and angry. Temper tantrums were frequent and extreme, often ending with him banging his head on the floor.
At Camden Street Primary School, Brady was considered by his teachers to be a bright child, but he never tried as hard as he could have. The other children saw him as different, secretive and an outsider. He didn't play sport like the other boys and was considered a "sissy."
The Sloanes and Brady remember an incident when he was nine years old. It was to be Ian's first outing out of the Gorbals. They went to the moors of Loch Lomond, where they spent the day picnicking. After lunch, the Sloanes napped in the grass. When they awoke, Ian was gone. They saw him standing 500 yards away at the top of a steep slope. For an hour, he stood there, silhouetted against the giant sky. They called and whistled to him but could not attract his attention. When the two Sloane boys climbed the hill to fetch him he told them to go on home without him, he wanted to be alone.
On the way home on the bus he was talkative for the first time in his life. For Ian, the time spent alone on that hillside had been a profound experience, one that would influence him into adulthood. He had felt himself alone at the centre of a vast, limitless territory. It was his. It belonged to him. He was filled with a sense of power and strength. In the midst of all this emptiness, he was master and king.
At the age of eleven, Ian passed his entrance exams to Shawlands Academy, a school for pupils with above-average intelligence. His potential was never realised however as he was lazy, would not apply himself, and began to misbehave. He started smoking, virtually gave up on his schoolwork and before long was in trouble with the police. It was at this time that his fascination with the Second World War, particularly the Nazis, began to emerge. The books he read and the subject of his conversation was always related to Nazis. Even his play was influenced by his obsession, he always insisted on playing a German in war games with his friends.
Between the ages of thirteen and sixteen, Brady had been charged on three counts of housebreaking and burglary. On the third occasion, the court decided not to give him a custodial sentence, on the condition that he move to Manchester to live with Peggy and her husband Patrick Brady. He had not seen Peggy for four years and had never met his stepfather.
It was the end of 1954 when Brady moved to Moss Side to start again. Living with strangers and having a strong Scottish accent that branded him as different in the community meant that Brady became even more socially withdrawn than ever before. He attempted to gain a sense of belonging to his new family by changing his name from Stewart to Brady, and, although he did not get on particularly well with his stepfather, he took the job that Patrick found for him as a porter at the local market. The sense that he didn't belong persisted, however, and he searched for direction through his reading. Within books such as Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment, the works of Marquis de Sade, and sadistic titles such as Justine, The Kiss of the Whip, and The Torture Chamber, Brady discovered something he could relate to, something exciting.
A little over a year after he moved to Moss Side, Brady had returned to a life of crime. He had left his job at the market and was working in a brewery when he was arrested for aiding and abetting. His employers had discovered that he had been stealing lead seals. The courts were not so lenient this time and he was sentenced to two years in a borstal, an institution for young offenders. There were no places available for three months, so he was sent to Strangeways Prison in Manchester, where at the age of seventeen, he learned quickly to toughen up.
He was moved to Hatfield borstal in Yorkshire where the regime was much lighter. Brady, taking advantage of the reduction in security began brewing and drinking his own alcohol and running gambling books. A drunken scuffle with a warder landed him in a much harder borstal in Hull Prison. Here he actively set out to learn more of the criminal way of life, from which he intended to make a great deal of money. His expectations were so high that he even took courses in bookkeeping.
When he was released in November 1957, his family noticed that he was even more silent and brooding than before. He was unemployed for several months before he obtained work as a labourer for six months. While he continued in his attempts to find a criminal scheme that would make him rich, he decided to put his bookkeeping skills to legitimate use. In 1959, he began work as a stock clerk with Millwards Merchandising. A little more than a year later, a new secretary arrived.
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Тут всё понятно и об учёбе, и о работе и о семье = см. карту.
Уфф)! Ирина А я на днях буквально прослушивала доклад Эльмиры Гизатуллиной «Что такое одиночество – фактор стресса или наслаждения» --- и вот благодаря твоему посту стало понятно, что весь ее доклад (садо-мазо теория) был построен на понятии "рецепции" планет разного качества.
Видимо у этого товарища (Брэди) "болевой" точкой была Луна: все "агрессивные" планеты заняли любимые ее знаки( ?
С тем, что болевая и стартовая для боли точка в этой карте оказывается Луна - соглашусь. 10-й дом ещё и дом матери, а управитель как Луны, так и ряда планет, - Сатурн находится в 12 доме.
В тексте есть интересная деталь: человек почувствовал себя иначе после того, как оказался один на вершине какой-то горы (Луна в Козероге, в 10-м) ..
Не совсем поняла о любимых знаках Луны.. А о проявлениях садо-мазохизма могу сказать вот что.. Была у меня публикация начала исследования на тему нетрадиционной сексуальной ориентации:
Так вот если по этой же схеме взять не Марс, а Сатурн, у человека могут быть зафиксирован тенденции к садизму и/или мазохизму. Этот случай (см.карту) показывает одну из разновидностей - Луна находится в знаке Сатурна и в знаке "оси симпатии"... Но главное (для клиники) здесь оказывается то, что Сатурн и Марс - два вредителя, -
а) находятся в 12 доме
б) имеют рецепцию с Венерой и, тем самым, получают своего рода "доступ" к Меркурию - с которым Венера находится в соединении...
Честно говоря, не очень бы хотелось развивать сейчас такие темы, разве что подчеркнуть - если планеты, связанные с психологическими травмами, оказываются сильными вредителями (пусть и благодаря рецепции), человеку может быть не до деятельности как таковой - нарушенное "ядро личности" перетянет одеяло на себя - именно то, о чём вчера писала здесь - http://forum.argo-school.ru/showthread.php?t=715&page=2
В этом примере есть любопытная деталь - человек закончил бухгалтерские курсы. 3-й дом в Раке, Луна - в 10-м и в Козероге.. Не раз видела такую позицию (именно Луну в Козероге в 10-м, которая управляет 3-м) у людей, имеющих хорошие способности к расчётам и если не бухгалтеское образование (видела и такое), то образование, связанное с языками и/или измерением чего-либо..
У Птолемея:
знаки солнцестояния и равноденствия способствуют деятельности, связанной с толкованием, сделками, измерением, сельским хозяйством и религией;
Но в этой карте Луна сожженная, после новолуния = почти как и с любой сожженной планетой произошла ситуация потерь по теме - мать человека оставила, до работы по профессии дело не дошло.. Планета, находящаяся в сожжении, даже если и даёт что-то, то рано или поздно (динамика позволяет вычислить - когда?) это человек теряет.. Например, как в карте генерала-лейтенанта из Задания №6 натального тренинга - . Распад СССР привёл к отказу человека приносить вторую присягу, человек был убеждён, что присяга может быть только одна. Но в той карте сожженный Марс стоит в квадранте, обозначающем зрелые годы, а в этой карте сожженная Луна стоит в квадранте, указывающем на молодость..
Эх, если бы люди умели выбирать между тюрьмой и больницей.. Всё же не случайно астрологию в средневековых универах изучали на медицинских факультетах.. Хотя.. Всё, лучше молчу, а то сорвусь в полную публицистику..
Дабы уменьшить риск, увеличивая число сомнительных параметров – решила не делать обобщенную характеристику по домам, квадрантам и зонам.
Вообще, что у нас есть из обобщенных характеристик?
Обобщенная характеристика
- по домам
- по квадрантам
- по зонам активной-пассивной проявленности Солнца, Луны, Сатурна (Хубер)
- по космограммам (Джонса и АША)
- по знаку синтеза
- по «вентельным» планетам ()
- по конфигурациям
- по методике Гибсона.
Что тогда остается (если не учитывать точное время)? Остаются космограммы, знак синтеза, «вентельные» планеты, конфигурации и методика Гибсона.
Теперь ищем отличия этих двух карт. Отличие по космограмме:
У Брэди центрированный тип космограммы - в жизни решает одну задачу, зацикленность на чем-либо; обладает способностью к концентрации, если погружается в какую-то проблему, ему трудно из нее выйти; тип умного фаната. (П.П.Глоба из энциклопедии Д.Куталева)
У Чилинтано солярно-лунарный тип космограммы – колебания из стороны в сторону, побеждают то эмоции, то разум; психологическая неустойчивость (П.П.Глоба из энциклопедии Д.Куталева) Отличие по знаку синтеза:
У Брэди знак синтеза Козерг, а у Чилинтано Козерог и Рыбы.. Отличие по вентельным планетам:
У Брэди «вентельные планеты» (у Гибсона они называются «гранд возвышениями») Солнце, Венера, Меркурий, Плутон (Плутон и Нептун, кстати, своего рода фокусы гороскопа в космограмме). У Чилинтано «вентельные» планеты Солнце, Венера, Меркурий, Сатурн. Отличие по конфигурациям:У Брэди один бисекстиль, у Чилинтано их три, то есть у Чилинтано потенциальных способностей к позитивным изменениям больше. Отличие по методике Гибсона:
У Брэди зависимость от психотропных средств по колличеству маркеров близка к патологической, у Чилинтано колличество маркеров выше среднего, но все же ближе к нормальному состоянию, нежели к патологии. А если учесть третье правило Эзры, то можно вспомнить, что Брэди свои преступления совершал в шестидесятые годы – годы первого массового всплеска наркомании.
…и еще по теме ветки. Луна перешла в знак Рыб. Болевой точкой ее уже не назвать. И колличество рецепций планет разного качества уменьшилось.
Вроде бы ничего не забыла?
Последний раз редактировалось Элен, 23.04.2008 в 12:29.
Здравствуйте уважаемые.
Вот порылся на форуме искал что-то подходящее и нечего луче не нашёл.
А побеспокою вас я на счёт не очень приятной темы - убийство и убийцы.
На днях у нас в Тбилиси закончился суд по одному громкому делу - присяжные судил 25 летную девочку, которую обвинили в убийстве своего мужа и 5 летного сына.
По материалам следствия обвиняемая ночью 19 декабря 2015 года, ударом, кувалдой по голове убила спящего мужа и почему-то задушила (накрив руками нос и рот) собственного сына. Тела она пыталась спрятать (вывести на машине) но не смогла.
Мотив - любовь к другой мужчине и желание начать новую жизнь.
Осуждённая все обвинения отвергает, говорит, что это не она.
Суд присяжных уже приняла решение, Магда (так зовут её) приговорена к бессрочное заключению.
Не смотря на очень аргументированные доводи и явные доказательства представленные стороной обвинения, общество разделено - довольно большая часть её не верит, что женщина могла совершить такое жестокое убийство. Мне тоже хотелось бы чтоб убийцей оказалась не мать, не жена .... не женщина. Пака не смог переварить эту данность.
Но ...
Как вы, опытные и астрологи думаете - есть ли потенция такой жестокости в космодроме этого человека.
19.03.1990. Гори, Грузия.
Рецепция сигнификаторов деятельности. Карта убийцы.
А я на днях буквально прослушивала доклад Эльмиры Гизатуллиной «Что такое одиночество – фактор стресса или наслаждения» --- и вот благодаря твоему посту стало понятно, что весь ее доклад (садо-мазо теория) был построен на понятии "рецепции" планет разного качества.
Интересно) Почитаю.
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